Why Adam Wanted to Interview Sam Altman

In this urgent and unsettling episode of the Chuck ToddCast, Chuck argues that America is in the midst of a historic “Great Unraveling,” marked by the collapse of trust, consent, and the basic social contract that has held the country together for generations. He examines a chilling series of events in Minneapolis—two fatal shootings by federal agents in three weeks, including the killing of Alex Pretti, who was legally carrying a firearm—raising profound questions about accountability, constitutional rights, and whether the federal government can still be trusted to tell the truth when video evidence directly contradicts official accounts. As administration officials stumble through indefensible explanations, Chuck connects the domestic breakdown to a broader global rupture: allies like Canada openly describing relations with the U.S. as “ruptured,” the post–World War II rules-based order splintering, science and public health consensus eroding, and political power being wielded through favoritism and fear. The episode paints a stark picture of a country growing weaker, more isolated, and more vulnerable—not because of fate, but because unraveling is a process, and it’s happening in real time.

Then, documentary filmmaker Adam Bhala Lough joins the Chuck ToddCast for a provocative, darkly funny, and unsettling conversation about AI, power, and the people building the future faster than anyone can regulate it. Lough unpacks the thinking behind his documentary Deepfaking Sam Altman, exploring why artificial intelligence inspires both awe and terror, how tech elites quietly prepare for social backlash, and why many of the skills we once told young people to master—like coding—may soon be obsolete. From Silicon Valley’s obsession with immortality and bunker-building to the fear that any job done on a computer could disappear within a few years, the discussion confronts what happens when innovation outruns accountability.

The episode also dives deep into Sam Altman’s mystique, Silicon Valley’s moral blind spots, and how fear—of China, regulation, or losing dominance—is used to shape public debate around AI. Lough explains how deepfakes are made, why AI-driven scams are about to explode, and what lawmakers fundamentally misunderstand about regulating rapidly evolving technology. Ultimately, this conversation argues that the antidote to AI anxiety isn’t panic or denial—but transparency, literacy, and a serious public reckoning with who controls the tools reshaping human society.

Finally, Chuck weighs in on the political disaster that is unfolding for Republicans, hops into the ToddCast Time Machine to draw parallels between modern America and Bloody Sunday in Northern Ireland in the 70’s and answers listeners’ question in the “Ask Chuck” segment.

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Timeline:

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00:00 Chuck Todd’s introduction

01:45 America is going through a “Great Unraveling”

04:45 January 2026 has been a horrendous month in American history

05:45 We’re watching the collapse of consent

06:15 Federal agents involved in 2 fatal shootings in 3 week in Minneapolis

07:00 Alex Pretti was shot 10 times, this was an assassination

07:30 No consequences for agent that shot Renee Good sent a message

08:15 The federal government won’t uphold the law or constitutional rights

09:30 Administration officials make fools of themselves defending this

10:15 Alex Pretti was legally carrying his firearm

10:45 January 6th protestors were also armed

11:45 The federal government is behaving like fascists

12:45 What remains of the social contract?

13:15 Trump’s leadership is destroying everything we knew about America

14:00 Canada’s PM Mark Carney describes relations with U.S. as “ruptured”

14:45 The rules based order in splintering

15:15 TikTok deal was purely favoritism & media alignment for Trump allies

16:15 CDC now discarding science, openly questioning the polio vaccine

17:00 Government shutdown is coming later this week

18:00 100 years of consensus is shattering

19:00 Alex Pretti was carrying, not brandishing his weapon

19:45 Alex Pretti was killed in cold blood  

20:30 Thank god there was video, you can’t trust the federal government

21:00 Bystander video contradicts federal government account

21:45 Patel and Noem have no credibility outside of Trump’s base

22:45 Federal agents violated half the bill of rights in one incident

24:30 Middle powers can’t assume alignment with US gives stability

25:30 Canada’s response to Trump is seismic & entirely rational

26:30 The post WW2 order was held together by trust, & that’s been shattered

28:15 Trump’s appointees are making us vulnerable to eradicated diseases

29:30 TikTok will be used by Trump allies for political alignment

30:45 Unraveling isn’t destiny… it’s process

31:30 Trump is making us weaker, more vulnerable and poorer

32:45 We’re losing our country… literally

33:30 We can’t believe anything the federal government says

40:00 Adam Bhala Lough joins the Chuck ToddCast

42:30 Tech titans know the pitchforks are coming & are building bunkers

43:15 Did you create “Deepfaking Sam Altman” assuming the worst about AI?

45:00 The phrase Artificial Intelligence is great branding, but creates fear

46:15 How did you find funding for the documentary?

46:45 AI was one of the reasons the writer’s guild was protesting

47:30 Kids who grew up learning to code won’t have a job due to AI

48:15 Coding is now a useless skill when it was THE skill to have 10 years ago

50:15 Any job done on a computer could be gone within 3 years

50:45 Teaching critical thinking skills when a machine can do it for you?

53:00 Humans won’t be ok with robots replacing, but may not have a choice

53:30 If AI destroys humanity, it wouldn’t be deliberate

54:15 There’s a theory that AI would keep us around & find a use for us

55:00 Sam Altman has a giant collection of guns & weapons, like a prepper

55:45 Wealth creates a “prepper” mentality

57:00 There’s an obsession Silicon Valley with living forever

57:45 Was trying to interview Sam Altman always the premise of the doc?

58:45 Thought getting an interview with Sam Altman would be easy

59:15 Still haven’t heard from Altman in light of the documentary

1:00:45 What made you so threatening that Altman avoided you?

1:02:30 Other tech companies were more open to talking than OpenAI

1:03:15 Altman uses AI to read and summarize his emails, he doesn’t read them

1:04:00 Tech CEO’s tend to be antisocial, created platforms to compensate?

1:04:45 Many created products the world didn’t need just to get rich

1:06:00 Social media causes problems, but also have positives like Arab Spring

1:06:45 Totalitarian regimes found a way to weaponize social media

1:07:45 Chinese documentarian used AI to avoid government crackdown

1:09:15 Altman uses fear of China’s use of AI to avoid regulation & get investment

1:10:15 Sam Altman is a Marvel level super villain

1:10:45 Elon Musk is even more of a villain than Altman

1:11:15 Altman doesn’t have a personality, Elon has a crazy one

1:12:00 Google’s Gemini has caught up and surpassed ChatGPT

1:12:45 Altman could be a flash in the pan, or the next Steve Jobs

1:14:30 Steve Jobs and Sam Altman share a similar drive

1:15:45 Apple wouldn’t have been as successful under Wozniak, he’s too nice

1:17:00 You don’t have to be an asshole to be a successful tech CEO

1:18:30 Political leaders have given business leaders permission to be awful

1:19:00 What do you want people to take away from the documentary?

1:19:45 The best way to cure AI anxiety is to create a conversation about it

1:20:45 Concerned about legal exposure from the documentary?

1:21:15 The documentary shows how the deepfake was made

1:22:30 AI image & video generators should be forced to include a logo

1:23:15 What should politicians understand about AI regulation?

1:24:30 AI slop is getting harder than ever to identify as fake

1:26:15 AI will be an incredible tool for scamming people

1:27:00 People should have a safeword to avoid deepfake scams

1:29:15 AI will be very useful in creating archival footage

1:31:00 AI gets dystopian when you put it into weapons

1:32:30 What topics are you interested in covering next?

1:35:00 Terms & conditions that force arbitration is very coercive

1:37:15 Deepfaking Sam Altman took 18 months to create

1:41:30 Chuck’s thoughts on interview with Adam Bhala Lough

1:43:30 Elected Republicans trying to distance from Trump’s DHS

1:45:00 Marjorie Taylor-Greene argues the small c conservative position

1:46:00 MTG uses hypothetical shooting of a MAGA by Biden’s DOJ

1:48:00 Trump’s defenders try to blame Trump’s advisors rather than Trump

1:49:00 The administration is trampling the Bill of Rights

1:50:00 Minneapolis is a political disaster for Trump

1:51:00 Conservative pundits are pitching a Minneapolis off-ramp

1:52:45 Greg Bovino is trying invoke violence in the way he dresses

1:54:00 Trump’s coalition is breaking apart

1:55:45 ToddCast Time Machine

1:56:30 January 30th, 1972 - Bloody Sunday in Northern Ireland

1:57:45 British army turned into an occupying force

1:58:30 Unarmed civilians were shot by soldiers

1:59:00 Bloody Sunday ended the belief that the government could be neutral

2:00:00 When the state lies about violence, radicalism ensues

2:01:30 U2’s anthem about Bloody Sunday is expression of moral fatigue

2:02:30 Trump is the only person that can de-escalate and he refuses to

2:04:00 States tell themselves they are restoring order, consequences are permanent

2:04:45 Trust collapsed in Northern Island & happening now in Minneapolis

2:05:45 Ask Chuck

2:06:15 Agents involved in shootings weren’t new recruits?

2:11:00 How naive were we to think “it can’t happen here” How do we navigate it?

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