I think there's this vacuum created. In that context is Hitler, the central religious figure? Yes. And also, did Nazi Germany create Hitler or did Hitler create Nazi Germany? So in this distributed cognition where everyone's having a dialogue, what's the role of the charismatic leader? Is it an emergent phenomena or do you need one of those to kind of guide the populace? But I think in that situation, Hitler's charisma allowed him to take on a mythological in the proper sense archetypal. He became deeply symbolic and he instituted all kinds of rituals,. There's all this mythos about the master race, and there's all these rituals. The swastika is of course

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