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When pushing this in front of people that aren't security people, right? I mean, they're gong to fight you tooth and nail on it. So the minute you start the conversation, you're just like, hey, why don't we start with the things that piss you off the most? And if they piss you off, finds te executive person with the suit. It's really an evolution. Btbut to start, you got to start somewhere that's really visible to the exacts. The harder challenge is if you get down to the back and network, and you're like, ye we're going to do some different segmentation. No one gives u sit. No