i've had to learn that just by thinking you're some kind of g c s c, jeremy packsman, he's not going to work. And i think audiences have moved on. Ultimately, i get no real joy from interviewing politicians. I also feel like i really don't do m my audience much of a service either. You know, i wish ther there was politicians that were a little bit more old school in the sense ther, ye k. Let's have a conversation about this, rather than the constant thing of,. i'm trying to avoid you tripping me up.

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