I was close to getting punched every time you mentioned Nick Barnby. He is definitely the way I start the chapter with here. So I think I led it up there. And he's another one I managed to get through to him, but he's a very private man. You've got quotes from the supporters clubs at the time on the Everton side. In their defense, we'll never forgive them for this. It will hurt the supporters deeply. That they sold him to Liverpool, I still think is genuinely incredible. The transfer rocked football in the city. It really did.