David Frum: I think there's two senses in which life is not a gymnastics routine. He says the idea that somehow you can plan your life like a gymnastic routine or like a giant algorithm stretching forward is wrong. But he adds, measuring happiness is no more mysterious or fraught than measuring depression or anxiety and it should be no more controversial.Frum: My wife is probably the best measure for me of how happy I am. And when we talk later about, and for those listeners by the way, thinking, You know, I don't want to hear all this stuff about happiness.

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