The Joy Division Tip

I started making the argument back in the 90s that Joy Division was probably the second most important band behind the Beatles. They capture a particular form of nihilism that's really hard to get that in a way that doesn't feel mockish or childish. There's an adultness to it I know that's not really a word but there's a sobriety and seriousness to it because they were from Manchester, Manchester is like the Chicago of England very working class. So punk really was this kind of cry against like fuck it all and somehow out of that comes this really beautiful language that's held up really really well. And level terrace part to me is this perfect pop song from people