I think that we can tend to limit ourselves. So I think it's kind of good to let there be some open mindedness and flexibility, exploring the boundaries and breaking out of constraints too. Do you have a musical background, Jonathan? Just a real quick. Oh, fascinating. You're one of the it seems like most of us in this working in this field as designers particularly,. It made me think when you were answering it made me think about music theory, right? And I never I took one lesson, a guitar lesson and the my guitar teacher taught me scorpions, rocky like a hurricane and that wasit for me for lessons.

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