Sally Kohn: We talked about morality in a naturalistic context, but there's also the question of meaningfulness in a naturalness. Do you think there's a relationship between this kind of transcendent experience that you focus on in your book and how secular people can find meaning and purpose in their own lives?Kohn: I've come around to the point where you have to find meaning in the present moment. This also is a Buddhist view, although the Buddhists do have their nirvana, which is permanent. But just enjoy and be open to every moment and experience every moment for what it is.

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