By 1950s, the seed oils had made a big inroads in the population and you can see the shift in choices. I'm pretty sure by the 1950s, like they were not using as much butter and they were using more seed oils. And it's just all speculation and trying to reconstruct it, but it's super interesting stuff. But that's a great question. No, it's like, how did that narrative flip? Where I come from, there is no such thing as obesity where I come from,. Not among any of the population."

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