"I'm kind of it gets kind of like an odd path that we're on you know um or not odd but just not like the default path as Paul Miller says." "It was reassuring to hear from him not to go after money because for a couple years there I was like am I should I be going to like get a job like a job job," he said. "My parents have always been supportive and they've encouraged what I've even when I was like doing the skiing thing". 'The people like closest to me like it makes sense I think what I'm doing'

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