We've got tremendous polarizationt that that's kind of the thing that's driving people apart rit is that we've sort of seen this, you know, rise and, you know, ere this sort of dhisrighteous element on both sides. And, and people are sort of in their own echo chambers. It. Have we had similar periods in laary, similar echo chambers?

I don't know bout echo chambers. I mean, h that's very much sort of a modern concept. I think, m related to the internet. But, i mean, of course, there's been terrible, i mean, peopleow shooting each other rather, and terrible, terrible animosity. From the beginning of our systems of government, people have not been friendly or polite with one another. So, so that that is, that is nothing new. I think really it's, it's more the effect of this on the electorate, on on children. I don't even know howhow we can resolve it. Mean, in the past, i think that's the real problem, i come to think of it, is that we feel we don't even know how to, what is thi solution. Smart people like you who are in this field have trouble, if i may say, deciding understandably how to fix this problem. Were were, were were this brave new world is something we can't even understand. It's beyond our comprehension, and it's moving so quickly. Things are changing so fast.

So things are changing incredibly fast in terms of humanity's relationship and technology at every level, from individual to society, but we still try to understand the large scale influences of different kinds of matching and amplification rithms on people. And big tak has ten times the legal fire power as the department of justice. So law makers have been doubly paralyzed in figuring out what to do about them. Talking about paralysis, i referd earlier to a less than stellar record in handling the covert crisis relative to countries like south corea, which had a much more sort of centralized and organized response to coved, while americans struggled achieve agreement on basic things like wearing masks. There's a great seven minute verio on youtube of justice scalia talking about why gridlock is the strength of ou liberal democracy. So is our disjointed response to the covert crisis something we should expect, generally from a liberal democracy in times of crises?

I think that the blem is not so much the system. Gidlock is always, always a bad thing. I think, i think there's something in our culture in america that is all about a protecting people from the government. And there's a certain amount of this in liberal democracy. The early problem was this absolute monarchy, intrusive government regulations that were basically feudile, that they wanted to to get rid of. But there's been this fear, this idea that you have to protect the individual from a government that's going to interfere in your life or with your rights. And i think thiss this is in america more than anywhere else. You mention south corea. But right now, you know, i'm in australia, and they've had incredible an its iliberal democracy, a thriving liberal democracy, and they, they've been incredibly successful with a there, with the covet and very few, relatively deaths. And they've been extremely strict. To go through jumpe, through hoops to get here to see my family, and they've been locked down after lock down. And yet, the people have accepted it. Yes, there's been some demonstrations. Yes, now they're quite tired, cause for two years they've been doing this. But they have accepted it, and they trust to their government. You know, i don't know why there's this. There's this tremendous distrust of government in america which i think has fed into, you know, te the reaction we've had in the inability to really get get control, where people in america are even saying they have a right not to get vaccinated. And so so there's deep cultural issues involved too.