Art Naturals

A&P and podcast was a good, I mean, I listened to it. And so yeah, that would have been a great place to learn. Back then there just, there wasn't much software. There were only a handful of podcasts like three or four maybe. So these two brothers, they were doing actually, you said they had a brand. They grew into hundreds of millions of dollars. Those guys are super sharp guys. Super sharp guys. That's where you cut your teeth.