In a good conversation, i like to think about text threads, ok? And i have a few. They are all a little bit different as far as they are in this thinking spectrum. Somewhere at the top of the axis, for an individual, you have a scientist as your thinker, is my scientist. At the bottom of the latter i have maybe a zealot, someone who they are determined not to change their minds. When it's kind o high up on that axis, you have what i call an ideal lab. An ideal lab is like a group that's behaving like a scientist, as a thinker. It doesn't mean  their geniuses are any smarter than anyone else