I think any honest evaluation of these policies will conclude that they were a failure and um They were disastrous failure. Any Inquiry like the parliamentary this happened in the uk that doesn't conclude that lockdowns were a disaster I think Won't have been an honest evaluation. There's a lot of people who made these decisions That have a strong vested interest in making sure that these inquiries end up saying all everything was fine. So there has to be some kind of forgiveness, but not until we have a solid understanding and acceptance that what we did was deeply wrong And jay, this is perhaps a strange question to ask but um Francis and I were both vocal about some of what we thought was happening Going

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