Mike Dall: My grandmother was ahead of, basically the financial head of household in india. And so we were very good at getting the most every penny. But she wasn't good about keeping track of everything or investing in that kind of stuff. So i did learn how to pay bills very early. Getting them involved in the debt pay off journey was so good for all of us. We made a macaroni jar of mystuden loans. The kids would no, that's how they learned to count, sticking those macrones. Once we paid it all off an ann and then bought a bigger house, they saw, they they reaped the benefits of thato. What

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