Vak: I think you could have the the utopia, because you wouldn't fake lost a hot. In order for you to feel a true utopia, you have to have the ups and downs. You got to have the sweet and the sour, like you can't really enjoy anything. So this whole world around me, all the terrible shit that i see going on, isn't real. It's just created so that i feel the ups anddowns, and it feels like oot. But then it does involve you, rightof course it does. Vak: What's worse? A north koreay or your mum ing? Would you mean just North Korea existing or