Many have critiqued that mindfulness in the secular frame has been extracted from a spiritual tradition. How do you feel about that? My feelings are complex. I think there's been enormous benefit that has come from taking mindfulness practices and making them appealing to skeptics, or people from other religious backgrounds who wouldn't meditate if it were recast as an exercise for the brain.

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