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139. 2% For 1.5 with Yuval Noah Harari

Outrage + Optimism: The Climate Podcast

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The Great Coral Reef or the Amazon Rain Forest?

Sally Kohn: Stories need to be kind of engaging and simple. If we can create the same type of emotional engagement awas the great corl reef always the amazon rain forest, then yet you can mobilize a lot of people to take very strong action. I want to just connect that you start your time article by saying that climate despair is as dangerous as denial. And i'm wondering if that connects to what you just said, that it's because it doesn't allow us to build a coherent story around the future that we're trying to create.

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