It depends on your level again. Like if I was listening to a podcast in Spanish or Portuguese, which are my, you know, kind of stronger languages, then yeah, I just listen to the content because I enjoy it. With Japanese, I find that more challenging because my level is not as good and, and Japanese is a more difficult language. So if I turn on a conference, a podcast conversation in Japanese, I often struggle to followBecause it doesn't meet the golden rule that I gave you earlier about using material that's at your level. Yes. That's why it's such an important thing. It's like that the famous known kato quote was that language is a

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