I find it weird too, but also I think I've really successfully internalised a lot of shame and fear about not being part of it. So, I never feel able to assert most of the time that I'm the one that's got it right. I always have a sense where you could be wrong, you could be completely wrong. You're always conscious of wearing whatever it is for wearing at that point. Exactly. And how convenient that is on. Mm. Thank you, Joanne. That was just such a great conversation, aren't we? It'salways great to talk to you.

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