I think the internet is a separate proposition from personal computing when it begins in the late 1970s. When I see these new things that are being pushed like the metaverse or you know the apple goggles or whatever I'm like that's not going to improve my life. but just to push back very slightly because I absolutely believe in manufacture and companies manufacturing markets like that. Back in the dawn of the computer age I was so excited right like I know that the money had to be put in, yeah.

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