In your experience, have you seen any one who is in the throes of legitimate, chronic, acute addiction gain sustained recovery solely based on self knowledge and self understanding? And in an unravelling of these rode causes that you are describing, reverses? Having a direct spiritual experience? I have, it's, it's few and far between, because i make the distinction in my work of ther two predominant stages. One is awareness, and then two is practice. So now i don't, i'll she like ihve for 30, forty, 50 years of brid even believed, but who i've been is bad. It's onl something i believe. It's who

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