Narrative Trading vs. Business Duration

This week Mike Novogratz joins the show to reflect on his path from a successful trading career to building and running Galaxy. We deep dive into the state of markets, what defines the most successful macro traders, Galaxy's AI data center opportunity, running a public company & more. Enjoy!

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(06:32) Mike's Outlook For Markets in 2025

(14:53) Are Markets Frothy, AI Capex & The Minsky Moment

(24:26) Ads (Blockdaemon, Peaq)

(25:36) What Will The Next Four Years For Crypto Look Like?

(30:44) What Makes The Most Successful Macro Traders?

(40:25) Ads (Blockdaemon, Peaq)

(41:35) Hyperliquid

(44:19) The AI Data Center Buildout

(54:34) Ads (Mantle, Geodnet)

(55:59) Galaxy's Crypto Business

(59:06) Tokenizing Galaxy's Stock

(01:03:14) Running A Public Company & The IPO Window

(01:07:03) Final Thoughts

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