Building a successful podcast network is much harder. It now can be much more valuable in terms of remember what I said before about how many creators will get to the point where they do try to monetize or build a business behind it. They don't actually have that fidelity. And so again, it's not just like scare people away and say it's impossible,. But it's much easier, like my first million started on the back of the hustle, really.

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