The advice is a to you hnave experience that kind of aliveness in the context of non obvious things that are not obviously pleasurable. And you definitely don't want to follow the lower level the liveness, and think that it's ethical. Ins peple who meditate get this arangemen, the hell you doing them? Youre torturing yourself. Move siver. Sometimes for some people it never doesn't hurt. But similarly, like i had this experience in carriei. So is not a pleasant experience, and yet it is absolutely correct.

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