The Dangers of Co-Opting Mutual Aid Efforts

There's a lot of these spontaneous societal things especially in the UK that have been co-opted by the state and then sold back to us. Can you talk about the danger of that kind of state maybe dangers are on word but there can be a state capture of mutual aid efforts which sometimes one might argue always like strip them of what the essence of what they are is that fair to say? Well it certainly changes the state welfare changes the relationships that people have to those institutions so we do start to get the language of scrounging or of you know idleness deserving undeserving poor all of those things come from the idea that we're paying into an institution and not necessarily being guaranteed that