"There is no such thing as using data to remove all human judgment, value ideology from the way that we make decisions. We should make decisions based on values," he says. "Once you get to the actual things that you learned from reading this book, it's like, okay, campaign finance doesn't matter that much and discrimination isn't that big of a deal." He adds: "They have a whole section that I fucking skipped about how like protecting the forests to save the spotted owl is not worth the money"