Rose Reed and Dan Dovila: What do you think people should take away from the show going forward? They say it will expose new areas that unfortunately we haven't covered as much as we should have on American prestige. We're actually dropping an episode of the show on our feed for free. It's based on a lot of reporting. You want to be that guy at the Thanksgiving dinner table that's like, they're listening, man.
Danny and Derek welcome Rose Reid and Nando Vila, co-hosts of the new podcast Shoot the Messenger: Espionage, Murder & Pegasus Spyware. They discuss mass surveillance, (the totally legal) Pegasus spyware, how the grisly murder of Jamal Khashoggi fits into this, the vulnerability of journalists, and more.
Check out the first episode of the podcast, which we put on our feed, and other episodes on Apple Podcasts or wherever you download your podcasts.
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