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230. Russia, Ukraine, and the West | Frederick Kagan

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

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Is Ukraine an Independent State?

In the West we've had a lot of conversations about well are the Ukrainians living up to their obligations under men's will are the Ukrainians doing enough here and you get in rapidly into this well faults on both sides kind of thing which paralyzes Western response. So by sowing chaos and confusion at the level of information you sap the moral unity of the people that you're attacking so they can't unite to justify to themselves even a singular and effective response. What you do is you isolate the victim which is what the Russians have done or had done. They isolated Ukraine so that instead of seeing Ukraine simply as the victim of a Russian invasion in 2014 which is what happened. That's the consequence of

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