I've interviewed 14 Nobel laureates and none of them at least didn't have the courtesy to say no thanks. I just find it like totally outrageous that the you know I've got too much going on not interested you're not that interesting to me Brian. It's not up to me to figure out how can we establish a whole new educational system but certainly if reducing the barriers and reducing the cost those have to be the paramount issues of concern, he says.

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