Vice signalling is when someone says something to seem virtuous, but then doesn't follow through on it. Stephen hy recently wrote magazine cover story about this for the f t. It's in the show notes, and i had questions, so i invited him on to talk through it. I should also say that this conversation was recorded as boris johnson's government was falling apart - just before he resigned. And he talking to me about bors johnson because this is a great example of something stephen has been seeing a lot in politics these days.

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