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The following is with german political scientist, former beer brewer in the Congo, and author of How Tyrants Fall - Marcel Dirsus
Marcel interviewed coup leaders, dissidents and soldiers to write about the workings and malfunctions of tyrants. Because while the individual personas, eccentricities and reputations might make them all distinct from one another, there are more threads that draw disparate dictator's together than don’t.
I think this excerpt from the book sums up the essence of Marcel’s work and as well, the themes in todays podcast.
“The most powerful tyrants on earth are condemned to live their life in fear. They can make their enemies disappear with a snap of their fingers. They, their families, and their acolytes may control entire countries from the luxury of their palace, but they also have to spend their every waking hour plagued by the fear of losing everything. No matter how powerful they become, they cannot pay for or order that fear to disappear. If such tyrants make one wrong move, they will fall.”
So the interview is about the workings of various tyrants around the world, both living and dead.
I ask Marcel in the about applying a prisoners of geography lens to this topic, china and the case for dictators not being all bad all the time, marcel’s rogues gallery of tyrants and as well, Marcel offers a raw reflection of the potential future of authoritarianism in the USA particularly because of the astounding moves made so far under trump. This was recorded the day after the US inauguration.
00:00 - Marcel Dirsus
01:40 - Economist's Book Of The Year
03:55 - Serendipity & The Congo
11:35 - Prisoners Of Geography Lens
17:17 - Singapore A Dictatorship?
20:10 - China
27:50 - Saudi & MBS
30:43 - Marcel's Unconventional Idea's
34:15 - Geographical Concentration Of These Regimes
39:10 - Tipping Point (When Regimes Collapse)
49:10 - Rogues Gallery Of Tyrants
53:25 - The Leader Who's Coming Closest To Power
56:46 - Does Global Order Sustain Or Undermine These Regimes?
1:00:25 - Trump's Chances At Dictatorship
1:07:40 - Bullish & Bearish Country
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