In biotech, there's a machine. In the eyes of a lot of people, big pharma is like big tobacco. And so I showed up in the conversation where I thought with a pretty open mind and really asked what I thought were difficult questions of him. Usually one of the sides is more intense in their anger. So that's a group you'll hear from the Pfizer CEO. You have to do some soul searching,. which is like, did I ask some hard questions? There's definitely some despair and you start to wonder if it was true?"

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