Sarga haykerson, as far as this demonstration right now, they're not using electric busses though, correct? They are. Ok. Im, so how has that, um, have you what type of energy efficiency do you expect to gain? Mis well, see more and more as as fleet operators start adopting battery electric vehicles. And then there's the actual efficiency gains, which we expect will be more. Is part of this project to try d understand what the a delta there is between what we gain versus what it costs.
Transit advocates have made autonomous vehicles something of a boogeyman lately, framing the emerging technology as a way to perpetuate the car's mobility monopoly and starve public transit of funding. In reality, transit is one of the most compelling applications and automation is a huge opportunity to dramatically improve public transit. To help explain this opportunity, Nathaniel Horadam of the Center for Transportation and the Environment joins the show to discuss a light-rail style automated bus rapid transit project he's been working on, and the automated transit opportunity more broadly.