i think those sets of questions of, where is your finance? What is your ownership? Are some of the most transformative questions that listeners can be asking of their leadership. And if anybody really wants to pick it up and run it in their own company, so that don't economic action lap. Our web sight is just doughnut economics dot org. There's a tool that we've made called when business meets the doughnut. Hears the different ways that companies can respond. We call it the signboard of five design traits. In it really invites people to say: "Let's let's talk this through"

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