What Are the Electrons, the Fundamental Particles?

David Wheeler: Can the thoughts push the electrons around as well, which is what you are saying somehow. I mean, it sounds kind of where, it sounds mystical, doesn't it? Put like that, as though there wer some weird psychic force that is moving matter. But actually, all i'm saying is that causal power accumulates. There's nothing mystical about that. O it's, its perfectly straightforward. And that's what that, that's what biological agency, to my mind, is all about. It's an accumulation of causal power at higher levels of the system using, you know, nothing mystical, but a sort of relocating where cause is coming from. That