Cue text has become sort of this, like, often feels incredibly transparent. Bad faith argument rat amentof arguing tactics that shows up in both places. There were a lot of cue people there, but even more than that, the vast majority of people there probably bought into cu's mythology without actually knowing it. A real cue believer wouldn't be violent, because se is a non violent movement. The tuivers are much more complicated than people want to believe they are.