Do You Know What the Malware Guys Are Doing?

There's a lot of different ways you can kind of deal with circumventing security controls. I would the malware guys obfuscating some of this stuff. Do you know what they're doing? Sure. Believe it or not, all the different kinds of jobs I do red team work especially,. You see stages of all sorts kind of getting through these systems because they're very simple programs that really have nothing malicious within them themselves.