I’m joined by journalist Ben Schreckinger to discuss his reporting on the escalating dispute between Jay Stratton and Sean Kirkpatrick.

After Stratton alleged that Kirkpatrick was compromised by a secret UFO legacy programme, Ben contacted the former AARO director for a response. Kirkpatrick denied the allegation and fired back with accusations of national security violations. Ben explains the exchange, what remains unanswered and where his investigation goes next.

We also discuss covering Donald Trump’s rise for Politico, Trump’s approach to UFO disclosure, the challenges of investigating crash retrieval claims, and John Herrington’s changing account of his connection to Brent Friedman.