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Ati: I'm surprised there's many customers running them, ecause they are completely raw and managed. Ati ad most a lot of our internal services are into being us running our ound management planes that are that are managing someasieyes, under the cover. We're just moving to a world where you're always using something like cubenettes, but you just don't know you're using it exactly. If you want your application to be private, then you've got to introduce vnat interguation. This is one of the things we talk about in dotnet all the time - security and webing gets more complicated every year.