After publishing a 2011 paper on the four wrong drivers of school system reform, Michael Fullan sits down with Peter DeWitt to talk about the new right drivers that bring whole system success: wellbeing, social intelligence, equality investments, and systemness. School and system leaders can use these four drivers to focus on the right priorities as schools recover from COVID-19 and seek to accelerate learning again. Listen to hear:

• How we are democratizing leadership post-COVID
• Why having a mindset of systemness can help you "exploit upward, liberate downward, and lateralize everywhere"
• How "big spirit" can help leaders rise above hopelessness and lean into learned hopefulness.

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