The Wrong Week for Tongue Sugary Talk

Michael Shellenberger, editor of public on sub stack and renowned so-called journalist of the Twitter files is joining us. Russell Brand says he found it 'creepiest thing in the world' to be sent chills up his spine by any leaker. Michael: I think it's important to understand that the Pentagon Papers was this really triumphant moment in American journalism when they decided to publish these top secret papers about how bad the war is going in Vietnam. Meryl Streep as the publisher of the Washington Post, making this difficult decision to basically go against all of her social,. her friends, including the Defense Secretary at the time, to publish these papers are hugely courageous act.