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Rufus Griskam: We may be in the early stages of witnessing the dawn of a second-emergent intelligence. Andrew Seaman: Are we building the medium through which we will interface with AI using all of our senses? Should we be excited, afraid, or both? These questions are so important and so fascinating that we decided to gather some of our favorite thinkers to discuss them.

The two hottest topics in tech right now are the rise of generative AI and, with Apple’s recent push into spatial computing, the mainstreaming of augmented reality. Will silicon-based machines develop sentience? Will human experience extend into virtual worlds? These distinct technologies may eventually blend to spawn a surprising future, as our “real” world becomes digitally enhanced and our machines behave increasingly like humans.

Today, a provocative discussion with some big (human) thinkers: Steven Johnson, visiting scholar at Google Labs and author of ”Extra Life,” “Where Good Ideas Come from,” and “How We Got to Now”; philosopher and cognitive scientist David Chalmers, author of ”The Conscious Mind” and “Reality+”; and Betaworks founder and AI investor John Borthwick.

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