Matt: "Math is math. Electricity and figuring out that ayahuasca and DMT work with your inner workings... That has to be either trial and error or fucking a super advanced civilization" Simon: "I'm fine with there being an advanced civilization in the sense that like mathematically, they had figured out shit that would take us another 2,000 years because they got wiped out." Matt: "But I just think the math would be so advanced though ... Right? Like math equals high intelligence for a society?"

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