The conversation is often go like, here's the reasons why I don't support the idea. And then I give Alex space because I mean, I do think it's also like something that you have to understand if you're working with somebody like Alex. Like I need to give him some space to like digest it. Because coming up with an idea and sharing that idea with a bunch of people,. It's like a very vulnerable state, I would imagine. The more we beat it up, the more we played it out. So there's kind of like three variables that we'll think through when we're beating up a decision.

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