I don't see that as shying away from challenging people on difficult things It's just we wanted to have a conversation about a different issue at the time. As you saw in my conversation on Brett's podcast, I had absolutely no problem saying What my opinion was about the issue of COVID and what my disagreements are with him So it's not an unwilling as to challenge It was just an individual instance in which that was how it was again if you've got other issues where you think I'm not challenging someone I'm open to hear it Okay, so another example then is when you talk about enlightened centrism and an approach with is a political Mm-hmm.