Is it just that seneca ultimately was a deviant from own philosophy? So this is such a complicated issue. People don't like him because he failed. But some of the things he say are very interesting and valuable none the less. For example, the idea that too much emotional investment in things that aren't worth while are simply damaging to you. I have a great example for how to think in a, in a stoic way. That isn't a deep example, but it's helpful to show how stoicism can help. And i'm not going to talk about the deaths of family or really serious stuff like that.

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