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271: Michael Shellenberger's Punk Rock Moment

The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe

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The Most Interesting Moments in Life

"I'm so excited to talk to you. I mean, climate change in my view and in my writings is real," he says. "If all else were being equal, we'd rather just keep things the way they were because we've adapted to life at these temperatures." The fact that we're able to have these high standards of living can be a consequence of energy, writes John Sutter.

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