"i often find taking something and trying to do the extreme version, you get a take away," he says. "I think we've got huge problems, and luckily, we have this instinct to want to solve them." He thinks it's helpful to frame big prob like the environmental crisis as a puzzle instead of calling it a crisis. The word problem is very thorny and off putting and intractable,. Whereas puzzles is like, solution oriented. And it's like, let's roll up our sleeves and solve these puzzles'

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